| Combating the Chaos Dragon deck | |
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L.Lawliet Advanced Duelist
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| Subject: Combating the Chaos Dragon deck Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:46 pm | |
| Hello people of ADA, I’m L.
I’d like to talk about a very important issue every duelist is having right now: combating the Chaos Dragon deck. Chaos Dragons, at this very moment the deck is currently the best one out there, with the highest dominant force in the current meta-game. The deck isn’t hard to build, it’s not that hard to use as well, so you see it lot of it. The straight of the deck comes from the quick spamming of high-level beaters on the field, thus capable of making OTKs as well as simple beat you down. And of course you all saw how many YCS’s the deck has won, it’s safe to say that it doesn’t matter what deck you use against them, they are the favored, for an example: the second most popular deck out there – Dino-Rabbit, inherently has a very difficult time against the dragons, due to the overwhelming power that the Chaos Dragons bring to the game.
Anyway, enough saying how good the deck is, we all know. This article is about how to stop them. Now, I’m not an OTK style of a player, I like more control type decks/stun and things like that/ so obviously I don’t like the dragons. I’ve searched a lot how to stop them so I can play the decks I like. At this very moment these are the cards that I was able to find:
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If you see something that I missed please do tell me, either PM me, post here about it – do something. So about the cards, obviously I’m not gonna talk about all of them, I’ll just talk about the most important ones.
The best cards in my opinion against the deck are: Level Limit-Area B, Fossil Dyna, Necrovalley, Messenger of Peace and Light-imprisoning Mirror. Feel free to look at the rest of them as well.
Messenger of Peace.
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Neither player can declare attacks with face-up monsters that have 1500 or more ATK. During each of your Standby Phases, pay 100 Life Points or destroy this card.
And Level Limit-Area B.
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All face-up Level 4 or higher monsters on the field are in Defense Position while this card is active.
The idea of both of the cards is the same, they’ll stop the dragons from attacking your monsters, thus giving you time to recruit and take control over them. Even with their similar purpose the 2 cards are quite different and both can be used vs different decks as well as Chaos Dragons, it all depends of the deck you’re playing. Now Messenger of Peace is a card that can be easily used in Inzektorz vs the Chaos Dragons, like I said, and against Dino-Rabbit as well, thus protecting the bugs from being destroyed by attacks due to their small attack force monsters (200/500/1000/1600). As for the Level Limit-Area B, I’m planning in siding this in my Dino-Rabbit deck for sure. You can side this card in Inzektorz as well, I really think this is the best card against the chaos deck. It not only stops their attacks but it puts every 4lvl monster in defence, this is the main difference between Messenger of Peace and this card is that, Messenger can be easily stopped by Lyla’s effect as well as Ryko’s, and they are both x3 in the chaos deck. Now with Level Limit-Area B the only thing they can do is the 3 copies of Ryko and the MST/Heavy in their deck, Lyla is switched to defence before it can activate the effect. This card can be used against Hero beat as well and the beauty of Area B is that XYZ monsters doesn’t have levels, so your XYZ’s can still attack and destroy the opponents monsters.
Fossil Dyna
This card is by far one of my favorite cards in the game at this moment, used it in previous formats and I’m planning on using it in the future ones. The card has 2 effects: 1)Neither player can Special Summon monsters. 2)When this card is flipped face-up: Destroy all Special Summoned monsters on the field. So you can use this card by 2 ways: one just set it and wait for the dragons to attack it, thus leaving the opponent field empty, and the other way you can just summon this card in face-up attack position and keep the dragons at bay. This card can be obviously used against other decks as well, you summon this card against Hieratics and it’s pretty much your game.
Necrovalley.
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All "Gravekeeper's" monsters gain 500 ATK and DEF. Cards in either player's Graveyard cannot be removed from play. Cards in either player's Graveyard cannot be affected by card effects, except for their own effects.
This card can’t be used in many decks, it’s the key card of Gravekeepers. The key words in this card are these: “Cards in either player's Graveyard cannot be removed from play. Cards in either player's Graveyard cannot be affected by card effects, except for their own effects.” Meaning that this card fully stops the dragons and the only way for them to comeback is the MST/Heavy and Lyla, so you better have BTH or Solemns, something like that, for that Lyla… I’m not taking Ryko for a thread against the valley due to Gravekeeper's Descendant effect.
Light-imprisoning mirror
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When the effect of a LIGHT monster activates on the field or in the Graveyard, negate it.
This card is maybe a 3rd best card against dragons, it doesn’t stop the dragons from attacking or summoning, but it stops their main cards: Lightpulsar, Lyla, Ryko and Eclipse. Now many side Fissure or Macro against the Chaos deck but they just get owned by Lyla or Ryko’s effect, and it’s not like you can chain Macro to “Charge” or anything, since it’s a cost. Thus making Light-imprisoning mirror a very good choice against the chaos dragon. Many people think that Shadow-imprisoning is needed as well, but I see no reason to it, it’s funny how Chaos Dragon players doesn’t even side SIM cause they think that it will hurt their deck…
I’ll stop with the card discussion/review here, there are a lot of cards in the list above, but I can’t really talk about every single one of them, feel free to check all of them, and again IF you see something missing please do tell. Take note that the cards I added there aren’t that used, so don’t say add Macro/Fissure, TT, Dark Hole, Mirror Force etc. And please if you see some spelling mistakes please do tell me, it’s a long article and I might have typed something wrong here and there.
Last edited by L.Lawliet on Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:07 am; edited 3 times in total |
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iNubz Beginner
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| Subject: Re: Combating the Chaos Dragon deck Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:11 pm | |
| i was wondering would imperial iron wall work? since it stops REDMD from coming out and in turn stops light pulsar and the chaos cards like bls and chaos sorcerer. |
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Koolkid Article Team
Posts : 623
| Subject: Re: Combating the Chaos Dragon deck Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:26 pm | |
| Thats one long and awesome article u got there.. very interesting and ur right about how good they r... they r currently tier 1 atm.. so the cards u mentined are well worth to play against them.. gj |
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Snakedoc(Lord) ADA Leader
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| Subject: Re: Combating the Chaos Dragon deck Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:12 pm | |
| perfect article very interesting yah i hate that deck as well |
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Rand Beginner
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| Subject: Re: Combating the Chaos Dragon deck Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:06 pm | |
| pretty good dyna is rly not that great as it does not stop pulsar from grabbing another dragon. and nacro is no better than macro except macro stops the setup where necro just stops the chaos monsters from being summoned from the hand and pulsar from pulling out another dragon.
iron wall is not at good at stopping lightpulsar as necro valley. do you not like using soul release to remove all their setup? |
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Koolkid Article Team
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| Subject: Re: Combating the Chaos Dragon deck Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:17 pm | |
| soul release might be a decent choice but i dnt recommend it since chaos dragons mill so much and fast that only a dark and light is sufficent to pull bigger plays. |
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Mr.MikeyJ25 Beginner
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| Subject: Re: Combating the Chaos Dragon deck Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:23 am | |
| A card that would work would be Lightning Vortex use it to wipe the field then use synchros to beat them down ex. Shooting Star, Quasar, and Red Nova |
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Rand Beginner
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| Subject: Re: Combating the Chaos Dragon deck Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:26 am | |
| j25 do you even know how chaos dragons work? i thought not because if you lightning vortex you pay 2 cards to destroy only light pulsar dragon as it will grab red eyes back from the grave. |
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Mr.MikeyJ25 Beginner
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| Subject: Re: Combating the Chaos Dragon deck Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:46 am | |
| i see what you're saying but not necessarily if your able to banish pulsar with bottomless, dimensional prison, etc. red eyes stayesdead when you activate vortex next turn. |
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Rand Beginner
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| Subject: Re: Combating the Chaos Dragon deck Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:05 am | |
| yes bottomless and prison work well but vortex is still not doing anything special vs chaos dragons. |
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The Crocodile ADA Leader
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| Subject: Re: Combating the Chaos Dragon deck Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:20 pm | |
| i like the article, read it and im happy with the explainations thanx L |
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L.Lawliet Advanced Duelist
Posts : 232
| Subject: Re: Combating the Chaos Dragon deck Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:54 pm | |
| Sorry for the "late" feedback guys. Thank you all that liked this article, it's nice to see that it wasn't for nothing.
Now for the other comments:
*Soul Release - I tried that card - it works, but it's slow, so I'd pick something else. *Fossil - "dyna is rly not that great as it does not stop pulsar from grabbing another dragon." I don't understand what do you mean, it will stop him for summoning more monsters ofc. *Lighting Vortex - it won't stop the OTK or anything, but I guess, since Chaos Dragons just spam the field with monsters, they are easy catch for cards like TT. mirror, Dark Hole and etc. maybe you are following that logic, but Vortex won't save you, and I won't consider putting that in side deck. *Bottomless and Prison - those cards are used in main, they do work well against this deck, the problem is that they aren't enough. |
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KillerBee Skilled Duelist
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| Subject: Re: Combating the Chaos Dragon deck Mon Jun 25, 2012 4:07 pm | |
| Good comments, and true. I don't think too that soul release will stop the deck because they will swarm the field too fast and then its pointless. Pachy is good but it has its weaknesses |
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EviL Beginner
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| Subject: Re: Combating the Chaos Dragon deck Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:30 pm | |
| Level Limit Area B work perfect in XyZ Deck since the xyz doesnt has levels. Nice job L. Am I the only 1 here who thinks that chaos dragon are really really fun LoL ?? |
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tuktuk97 Beginner
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| Subject: Re: Combating the Chaos Dragon deck Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:56 pm | |
| I think they are funny,and they are not very op,just side some necrovalleys or things like that and you win. |
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iNubz Beginner
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| Subject: Re: Combating the Chaos Dragon deck Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:07 pm | |
| chaos dragons arnt fun at all =.= they super annoying swarming overpowered *BEEP*s if i ever face a chaos dragon deck unless some sort of new dragon killing card comes out then i will suicide |
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EviL Beginner
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| Subject: Re: Combating the Chaos Dragon deck Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:38 pm | |
| - tuktuk97 wrote:
- I think they are funny,and they are not very op,just side some necrovalleys or things like that and you win.
That is the reason for having ryko at 3. And MST at lest 2. |
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L.Lawliet Advanced Duelist
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| Subject: Re: Combating the Chaos Dragon deck Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:40 pm | |
| 1st off, most of the Chaos dragons don't have MST in main, they have x2 Lance. They main x3 lyla and x3 ryko + that heavy storm to kill traps. ~MST x3 in side and x2 Decree. - tuktuk97 wrote:
- I think they are funny,and they are not very op,just side some necrovalleys or things like that and you win.
It's not like you can side necrovalley in every deck. You can see the cards above about what you can side. Never the less, the deck is OP, that's why it's a problem. |
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Finly Beginner
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| Subject: Re: Combating the Chaos Dragon deck Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:15 am | |
| I found this article very helpful! No more being beaten by dragons! Nice job =D |
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EviL Beginner
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| Subject: Re: Combating the Chaos Dragon deck Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:22 pm | |
| - L.Lawliet wrote:
- 1st off, most of the Chaos dragons don't have MST in main, they have x2 Lance.
They main x3 lyla and x3 ryko + that heavy storm to kill traps. ~MST x3 in side and x2 Decree. This with Lyla is the Dragonsworn Chaos Dragon. I am playing with te regular only ryko. I run MST and Lance in side. Why Decree?? Return From DD is a staple here and Decree will block it. |
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Koolkid Article Team
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| Subject: Re: Combating the Chaos Dragon deck Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:10 pm | |
| since that will be ur only trap in ur main, u cnt guarantee u will get it cause of all the milling n stuff, decree is very good for trap based deck and any deck that runs skill drain in it.. |
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EviL Beginner
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| Subject: Re: Combating the Chaos Dragon deck Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:51 pm | |
| - Koolkid wrote:
- since that will be ur only trap in ur main, u cnt guarantee u will get it cause of all the milling n stuff, decree is very good for trap based deck and any deck that runs skill drain in it..
That why it is a side card not mein. |
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L.Lawliet Advanced Duelist
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| Subject: Re: Combating the Chaos Dragon deck Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:18 pm | |
| - EviL wrote:
- L.Lawliet wrote:
- 1st off, most of the Chaos dragons don't have MST in main, they have x2 Lance.
They main x3 lyla and x3 ryko + that heavy storm to kill traps. ~MST x3 in side and x2 Decree. This with Lyla is the Dragonsworn Chaos Dragon. I am playing with te regular only ryko. I run MST and Lance in side. Why Decree?? Return From DD is a staple here and Decree will block it. Cause you'll face a Final Countdown deck and it will kill you without a decree. At the moment it's regular to play x3 Lyla and x3 Ryko. |
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EviL Beginner
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| Subject: Re: Combating the Chaos Dragon deck Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:55 pm | |
| - L.Lawliet wrote:
- EviL wrote:
- L.Lawliet wrote:
- 1st off, most of the Chaos dragons don't have MST in main, they have x2 Lance.
They main x3 lyla and x3 ryko + that heavy storm to kill traps. ~MST x3 in side and x2 Decree. This with Lyla is the Dragonsworn Chaos Dragon. I am playing with te regular only ryko. I run MST and Lance in side. Why Decree?? Return From DD is a staple here and Decree will block it. Cause you'll face a Final Countdown deck and it will kill you without a decree. At the moment it's regular to play x3 Lyla and x3 Ryko. I will side with Decree then. |
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UchihaShisui Intermediate Duelist
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| Subject: Re: Combating the Chaos Dragon deck Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:55 pm | |
| for rabbit users,just side in 3 dimensional fissures.those dragons must be as good as banished.also,everyone must run bottomless trap hole and dimensional prison in main deck,atleast 2 copies.big burn is a nice side option as well.
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