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destroyerkjb
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PostSubject: Dolkka vs Exodia   Thu Oct 18, 2012 5:14 am

my question is this can Evolzar Dolkka negate Exodia?

This created a long argument between me and my mates on one end of the argument they say when you draw the last peace of Exodia then Exodia's effect activates and as a result Dolkka can negate it. on the other hand me and others think that collecting all five peaces is a win condition so can't be chained to so can't be negated which side is wrong


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PostSubject: Re: Dolkka vs Exodia   Thu Oct 18, 2012 7:10 am

No, it does not negate exodia.


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PostSubject: Re: Dolkka vs Exodia   Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:48 am

um your friends are wrong exodia is not an effect yes it is a win condition and as soon as u get the 5th piece of exodia your opponent cannot do anything to stop it


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PostSubject: Re: Dolkka vs Exodia   Thu Oct 18, 2012 5:44 pm

There is absolutely no card atm that can negate exodia, unless u cripple opp hand before he/she gets the last piece


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PostSubject: Re: Dolkka vs Exodia   Thu Oct 18, 2012 7:01 pm

Indeed. Though I wonder if Exodia can ever be consistent. Like I run Piper \exodia, and I win most of my matches with it, but hmm.


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PostSubject: Re: Dolkka vs Exodia   Thu Oct 18, 2012 7:35 pm

piper exodia hmm thats an interesting deck... i run D-Hero Exodia and i win most of the times so like 70-80% of the times


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PostSubject: Re: Dolkka vs Exodia   Thu Oct 18, 2012 7:48 pm

Thanks for the reply's I just got confirmation that my ruling was the correct one from an email from yugioh@kon‚Äčami-europe.‚Äčnet stating what all of you said which is Exodia ain't an effect. It is a win condition and as a result it can nether be negated I have also sent a ruling request on other cards that when resolved are a win condition such as Final Countdown and Destiny Board


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PostSubject: Re: Dolkka vs Exodia   Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:21 pm

That means u don't trust us D:
For me, exodia is the worst deck ever, i mean u just stare at the opp for like half an hour drawing n discarding cards, n then he says gg. Bad deck is bad


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PostSubject: Re: Dolkka vs Exodia   Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:19 pm

koolkid is still stuck in the world where all decks that dont attack are bad *sigh* anyway its like they say in Fast and Furious: 'It doesnt matter if u win by a mile or by a millimeter, what matters is that u win' :3


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PostSubject: Re: Dolkka vs Exodia   Mon Dec 31, 2012 12:40 pm

Koolkid wrote:
That means u don't trust us D:
For me, exodia is the worst deck ever, i mean u just stare at the opp for like half an hour drawing n discarding cards, n then he says gg. Bad deck is bad
Some exodia decks are about drawing the entire deck in 1 turn.
The most succesful one is probably Dragon-Exodia.

But it would never top so long as:
-People run DWs and KGs.
-Decks have a comfortable access to Shock Master.
-Players with heavy-backrow decks are smart enough to set their cards, so they will have less than 2 cards in their hand. (To hinder Card Descturtion plays).


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PostSubject: Re: Dolkka vs Exodia   Mon Dec 31, 2012 2:32 pm

I agree with Koolkid, i mean, there is nothing fun sitting there staring while your opponent has the first move, and he plows through his whole deck, with nothing you can do about it.

I don't know about everyone else, but i play the game only to have fun, and i can't say that if i face off against an exodia deck.


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PostSubject: Re: Dolkka vs Exodia   Mon Dec 31, 2012 2:41 pm

Then sweetly avenge him in the 2nd and the 3rd game, with Decree or Soul Drain.

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um your friends are wrong exodia is not an effect yes it is a win condition and as soon as u get the 5th piece of exodia your opponent cannot do anything to stop it

Koolkid wrote:
There is absolutely no card atm that can negate exodia, unless u cripple opp hand before he/she gets the last piece

Awfully incorrect!

This win condition is met properly, only after the chain it happened in resolves.

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Example 1:

I activate Spiritual Water Art. Opponent chains ar of greed.
Jar of greed resolves first, opponent draws the last piece of Exodia. He cannot declare that he has the 5 pieces yet. He has to wait for the chain to fully resolve.

Spiritual Water Art kicks in. I get to see his hand and send one of his cards to the graveyard. I send one of the pieces.

Opponent didn't win.

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Example 2:

I have 3 pieces of Exodia and Graceful Charity in my hand, and 3 cards in the deck.
I activate Graceful Charity and draw 2 Pieces + Dark Factory of Mass Production.
Altough I have all the 5 pieces, I have to discard 2 cards first. I send both arms to the graveyard.
I say: "Dum dum-Duuuuuuuuuuuum!" and activate Dark Factorty of Mass Production.
Opponent says: "FU" and activates Dark Bribe.
I say: "FML" and RQ.

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Example 3:
I have 5 cards left in the deck. It's the last piece. I activate Super Rejuvenation. (I discarded 6 dragons this turn). Although I draw the last piece, I cannot declare victory before fully resolving this card's effect. I draw the 6th card and lose.

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Example 666 (Utterly evil):

I have 2 cards left in the deck. The last piece is there. I activate White Elephant's Gift and send my face up Vanilla Monster to the grave. (Victory is fuckin' mine, biatch!) Opponent chains Hand Destruction. I send 2 cards to the graveyard and then draw 2. Then I have to draw 2 cards, due to White Elepehan'ts Gift. Guess what. Time to RQ again!


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